Should be interesting times for those mineral market prospectors.

Though Caldari pilots are really getting the shaft for sure.

+1 fully agree, there's hardly any dev participation in any of the ship rebalance threads, why ask for feedback if you aren't even going to acknowledge it.

We had 3 direct responses here, the other a misprint correction. The othe BS threads has upwards of 15 or more for each.

As someone with high missile skills and Caldari battleship 5 who has tested the new Raven on Duality-

It's not good. At all. Still slow (hampered by awful capacitor and poor agility), EXCEPTIONALLY poor defense (Seriously- the NAVY AUGOROR can pretty much beat the Raven in terms of EHP- It's loads cheaper and it still does 50% of the Raven's DPS!), it has the sig of a small moon... There really are no upsides to the Raven now, at all, anymore, except maybe 'selectable damage types'. You have flight time (which was admittedly cut with the cruise missile boost), you have enemy sig/velocity penalties (which were smoothed out a bit with the cruise missile buffs, but I'm not sure how well it'll actually go), you have NO staying power whatsoever in ANY fight, you don't have the capacitor to haul your battleship into kiting range, you don't have the DPS to thwart an active tanked Dominix somehow... This ship is not worth 200 million ISK. This whole rebalancing of battleships has hit Caldari in the balls so hard that honestly they're only worth flying in the frigate and cruiser categories. You will NOT see more Ravens be flown in PvP. Likely, it'll drop off to actually being zero. Same with Scorpions. HORRIBLE sig resolution, abysmal forced armor tank, no weapons, first primary... ~180 million ISK. Not worth it. Not worth it at all.

I had three BCS II, a nanofibre II and a DC II on the Raven's lowslots, and only two on the typhoon (if not for the nanofibre, the Typhoon would've been faster than the Raven).

Kinda fascinating how that is working out...

Maybe the CCP guys like flying Minmatar. Hate Caldari and Amarr. And decided to help their in-game personal-account allies the gallente. Seems like a conflict of interest to me. Also raises the question of their professionalism.

And this is the problem - why take a Raven over a Typhoon? I really like the 'Phoon, and think the Raven is ugly, but this doesn't not mean that the 'Phoon should be outright better than the Raven.

Significant nerf to Scorch (with all other things remaining same) would more or less obsolete all laser boats.

If lasers were a selective damage type, then I would more sympathetic, but since Amarr are already struggling, this would put them with caldari in the toilet.. No thanks, the game is already in favor of the socialist hippies and the ex slaves who somehow have the most superior ships in game.

The gallentean ships have selectable ammo type ? No and they need cap too fir shot, but they shot from falloff instead optimal.
And check the gallentean BS changes. Domi nerfed + Mega nerfed but amarrians will be get a overpowered armageddon, which shot to 45km+can neutralising to same distance with faction neut. This changes is bad and give to them a huge advantages against anyone.

Though I am straying off topic a bit, battleships should really have alot more tank. Then CCP could justify the price.
It should be alot of work to bring one down

with the amount of isk flying around this game and some with more then common sense, I really don't think another 40mil on top of current build cost is anything to worry about.

You still need the same time of mining to build your first BS. But there is a different to the past, retievers has changed and you can get a orca-boost. I would say its still takes the same time to get into BS, then 4 years ago. Its true you can earn more isk, but you need to spend more isk on the same things.

Actually you can do lvl 4 missions with all skills on lvl 3. I did it 3 years ago and started a new charakter 1 year ago and its still works. You just need to know which missions you cant to do with low-skills. Remember there are many lvl 4 missions which are pretty easy.

I for once don't want ships to be any cheaper - e.g. I'd love to see all Battlecruisers having to use large rigs - they're still far to cost-efficient compared to anything within their range of engageable ships.

Battleships are NOT for new players. THe good think on the price in crease is that less NOT READY players will board them to just loose them very fast, and rage quit the game.


I am bafled how many players think they are ok to be flying a battleship with less than 8 M SP.

No , some people think the average price wil not go up so much because CCP are chaging 0.0 mineral supply. Theert willb e a LOT more tritanium being produced and taht shoudl reduce the rpessure over the priuce of battleshisp that use a lot of tritanium.

"according to the OP, they will all be raised to that level, so thre new Apoc will be ~240 mill isk. "

No where in the original post does it say that. No where. The new Apoc will be around 170-175 with mineral prices set to decrease and a pre-patch apocs not evaporating.

Regarding the tier 3 BCs I fail to see the the reason behind the whole concept for "Attack Battleships".
With less firepower than the ABCs, less tank than the Combat Battleships and significantly slower speed than ABCs, Attack Battleships seem to be a blend of those both ships with no clearly defined role of their own that will inevitably perform worse at any task than their more specialized cousins.

ok, so in a summarized form, what CCP thinks is that by increasing the price of battleship production, the prices will go down? you are forgetting that any and all markets are run at the core of supply and demand, if you want the prices to drop, you supply more then the demand, and if you want the prices to rise, you reduce the supply so as to rise the demand for the product, what you are suggesting here is to decrease the supply while maintaining the demand, as the production will have to collect more minerals to produce the same ships the prices of all ships will go up, with the mineral changes coming up, the prices might drop on their own, and battleship prices will drop. with these changes you are suggesting, the battleship prices will either rise even more, or stay at the same level.

back on the supply and demand part: ship prices will always be run by how wanted the ship is, Eg. if a major group picks the Rokh as their primary fleet doctrine, then the people supplying the ships can increase the prices of them as they see profit there, because the ship is wanted.

TLDR: this idea will not work, and has possibility of backfire.

ehp needs to go way up on battleships.

dude if u want to control inflation increase LP payouts.. they soak up isk like nothing...